Mary Goulding (I11213)
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| Birth | c1767 London, England |
| Marriage | 19 December 1790 William Hubbard - Rose Hill, NSW |
| Death | 4.9.1820 Sydney, NSW |
| Burial | 7.9.1820 St Phillip's C of E, Sydney, NSW |
| Last Change | 7 September 2007 - 15:45:45 Last changed by: Lynne |
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Mary's marriage is reg. at St John's C of E, Parramatta # V179010 147A/1790 & V1790111 3A/1790 Hubbard, William to Goulding, Mary. Her death is reg. # V18204788 2B/1820 Hubbard, Mary A - Age 66. Mary Goulding was known as Mary Atkinson when she was sentenced to death on 12th January 1787. She had been tried by the second Middlesex Jury before Mr Justice Ashurt at the Old Bailey. She was ‘humbly recommended to mercy by the Jury'. Her trial follows : “Mary Atkinson was indicted for feloniously stealing, on the 8th January , four yards of printed cotton, value 12s. the property of Richard Birchall and Henry Wilding, privily in their shop. Richard Birchall sworn; I am partner with Henry Wilding; on Monday last, between the hours of twelve and two, a man came with a remnant of printed calico, wishing to know whether it was our’s; I told him was our’s; I knew it for several reasons, by the pattern, the quantity, and a particular mark which was on it; the young man took it back; I saw no more of it till I saw it at Justice Hyde’s; on the same day, I believe about two, I saw the prisoner, where there was taken from her by one of the runners at that office, a quarter of a yard of Irish, which she had bought at my shop that morning – Was it in your presence ? – Yes. William Gates sworn; I live with my brother, the corner of Leicester-square; the prisoner about Monday last, the 8th of January, came into our shop; our young man waited upon her; I suppose she staid there a quarter of an hour; as she was going out of the door I perceived at the window from the door when she opened it, something under her cloak, that I thought appeared rather large; I immediately leaped from the counter and pursued her into the street, and stopped her, three doors distance from our door; I told her I suspected she had something more than her own; she immediately said, she had no goods belonging to us; she immediately came back with me, and when she came into the shop, I looked withinside her cloak, and she pulled outthis piece; I went to enquire whose it was; mean while the prisoner made a stroke at some boys that were playing, and she ran away; she was overtaken in Bear-street, and taken to Justice Hyde’s; I gave her to the care of the clerk, and on returning home I found it belonged to the prosecutor. (The piece produced and deposed to by Mr Birchall ) – Gates ; I know it by a figure. Mr Peatt, Prisoner’s Counsel – I presume you know you have lost a piece of that quantity ? – Most certainly – But you do not know it by a deficiency of stock ? – We have not taken stock since – Is that figure that you say you know, a small figure ? – Yes – Can you swear to a small figure on a piece of cloth? – Yes. William Waters sworn; I belong to Mr Hyde’s office; I searched the prisoner, and found a quarter of a yard of cloth in her pocket, which the gentleman said, she bought of him; that is all I know. William Lloyd sworn; I am shopman to Mess. Birchall and Wilding; I served the prisoner with a quarter of a yard of Irish the same day; I cannot swear to the piece; I am sure of the women; as to this piece of calico I have seen the pattern at our house; there is not the least doubt but it is theirs – Do you know that that is their property ? – I cannot say, because I did not see the women steal it. Thomas Howell sworn; I was shopman at the prosecutors a week preceding that time; I had left him just before – Was that piece of calico when you left the shop Mr Birchall and Wilding’s property ? – To the best of my knowledge it was; I measured it the week before; this is my mark; but I do not know whether it continued in the shop after I left. Mr Peatt – Could you have known that to be your masters property, if you saw it at another shop in turning over a multitude of pieces, without any impression of a theft on your mind ? – In all probability there might be more of the same. Benjamin Tanked sworn; I am in the prosecutor’s shop; I know this piece of printed calico perfectly well. – Is it your masters property / - Yes, I believe it is; I know it by the pattern; this was the only piece of the kind we had in the housewhen we took stock. – How lately before the time it was taken away had you seen it in the shop ? – Not more than half an hour, I had it in my hands; I do not know that any body was in the shop before I missed it from that spot, except William Lloyd; I believe I was in the shop during the whole of that half hour; I did not sell it to any body; there was nobody in the shop but the prisoner, till the remnant came from Mr Gate’s. Lloyd ; It was upon the counter when the prisoner came in I cannot say what part of the counter; I observed it about eleven or twelve o’clock. – How many persons may come in to the shop from the time you saw it to the time you served her with the Irish ? – There might have been some. Prisoner ; I leave it to my counsel. GUILTY – Death. Luckily for Mary, four months later on 23rd May 1787, “capitally convicted in the January sessions, she received his Majesty’s pardon, on being transported to the east coast of NSW for seven years” Mary Atkinson said goodbye to England and embarked on the Lady Juliana, which set sailed from Plymouth on 29th July 1789 under the ship’s master, Captain Aitkin and arrived at Port Jackson on 3rd June 1790, just 17 days ahead of the ships of theSecond Fleet. The journey lasted 11 months and that in itself is a story - “…..the majority were London prostitutes… On the passage to Port Jackson the Lady Juliana (Julian) was nothing more than a floating brothel …” Charles Bateson, “The Convict Ships”, 1985 – and hence the title “The Floating Brothel”, by Sian Rees, 2001. In the colony Mary Atkinson used the name Mary Goulding. She married William Hubbard at Rose Hill on 19th December 1790 and settled on their grant at The Ponds (near modern Ryde). Mary died 4th September 1820 and was buried on 7th September 1820 which was recorded at St Phillip’s C of E, Sydney. Mary and William’s children were ; 1. Ann Hubbard born circa 1790 at Rosehill ( The Ponds), m. 7.8.1810 (V18101090-3A) to William Nash at St Matthews, Windsor. She died 25.10.1879, aged 89 years, in Hyde Park Asylum, Sydney. 2. Thomas Hubbard born 15.8.1796 at Parramatta. Birth reg.V1796146-148 3. Elizabeth Hubbard born 1800 ( reg V1800266-148 & V1800930-1A), m. 22.2.1820 (V18202494-3A & V182070-3A) to John Crook at St Phillips C of E, Sydney who died 28.8.1828 at Liverpool. She died ??? 4. Harriet Hubbard born 29.10.1802 at Parramatta (reg V18021152-1A), m. 22.11.1821 (V1821183-8 & V18212836-38) at St Phillip’s C of E Sydney to William Cook. She died ??? 5. Margaret Hubbard born c1806 and died 1.8.1820 in Sydney. Death reg V18204731-2B. |
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Posts made on the now defunct Forum ............ Lynne - March 2006 Question ?? How do we "know" that Mary Goulding and Mary Atkinson were one and the same ? ****************************************** Glenyce in W.A. - March 2006 Mary Goulding was tried at the Old Bailey 9th January 1788 - not 12th January 1787, as was Mary Atkinson. My sources for this information are the various Musters: The unpublished Musters: of 1816 (AJCP Reel 60; HO 10/4); the 1817 female muster is incomplete but the 1818 (Nov 1818) has Mary A Goulding listed as "dead"; in the 1819 she is listed as "left the colony"!! The 1811 published Muster (pub. by AGBR in association with SAG) also has the same trial year of 1788, but has noted that "PRO version has Golding, Mary Atkinson; AONSW version is Mary Ann Golding"). I think that the confusion may lay in the published Musters of 1800 -1802: List 3 has a Mary Atkinson resident in Parramatta with W. Hubbard (this list was used up to 1803), but List 7 (Land & Stock 1802) has 1 woman, 3 children, 1 female servant (Mary Atkinson??) off stores with William Hubbard at the Northern Boundary on rented land of 100 acres. The published musters are transcriptions of transcriptions and have been editted; i.e. they are not simply copies of information found in the original documents. Mary Goulding does not appear in the transportation lists from the UK, but she does appear in the various convict lists sent from NSW. So who was she? Checking all the females tried at the Old Bailey on 9th January 1788 - all can be accounted for, with the exception of Mary Simpson. Mary Simpson is on the register for the "Lady Juliana" but there in no trace of her in the colonial records (source: CD; "Convicts to Australia 1788 -1812; pub. by AGBR in association with SAG). Mary Goulding does not appear in these registers. Looking at Mary Simpson's trial, her Counsel, Mr. Knapp refers to her as "..... the person who calls herself Simpson....." I obviously believe that Mary Ann Goulding called herself Mary Simpson at her trial, but after arrival in Australia was calling herself Mary Ann Goulding. What do you think? ********************************************** Artlyn - March 2006 The list of Convicts of the Second Fleet arriving on the Lady Juliana in Jonathan King book "The First Settlement" show a Mary Simpson tried in London on 9-1-1788 and also Mary Atkinson tried in Middlesex on 23-5-1787. How can these two people be one and the same person? ****************************************************** Lynne - March 2006 Glenyce is saying that "our" Mary Goulding who married William Hubbard was not Mary ATKINSON .... but Mary SIMPSON. I'm afraid that I have done no research on this family........I have merely copied what has been previously written. We know V1790111 3A/1790 Hubbard, William to Goulding, Mary V179010 147A/1790 Hubbard, William to Goulding, Mary at St John's C of E at Parramatta. Glenyce said: I think that the confusion may lay in the published Musters of 1800 -1802: List 3 has a Mary Atkinson resident in Parramatta with W. Hubbard (this list was used up to 1803), but List 7 (Land & Stock 1802) has 1 woman, 3 children, 1 female servant (Mary Atkinson??) off stores with William Hubbard at the Northern Boundary on rented land of 100 acres. If Mary Atkinson was Mary Goulding , why would she be called Mary ATKINSON in 1800-1802.....and not Mary HUBBARD , when William & Mary married in 1790 ????? *********************************************** Artlyn - March 2006 Sorry and thanks for that. We were following what Michael Flynn had written on the Second Fleeters on Mary Atkinson and he had her married to William Hubbard. I guess we have to ask - Who did Mary Atkinson marry if it was William? The other question - Who was the Mary Hubbard who died September 1820? I have always wondered that the age of Mary Hubbard was given as 66 yrs and she would have been in her 50's. I guess more research is needed. *************************************** Glenyce in W.A. - March 2006 RE "The Second Fleet" by Michael Flynn: Not all the biographies/genealogies in this book are original research by Michael Flynn; i.e. various people have submitted these based on their own research (see the Foreward to the book). I also note that no sources are given for the information on Mary Atkinson, although it says "In the colony Mary Atkinson used the name Goulding" ********************************************************* Glenyce in W.A. - March 2006 The Musters were intended to keep track of the residents of the Colony & as people were identified by their convict (or non convict) status, the women are listed under their "convict" names; think of a prisoner's roll call in a jail... That is why in the Musters the entries are simialr to this: Mary Goulding, Lady Juliana, Old Bailey 1788, 7 years, emancipated 1795, Wife to W. Hubbard, In the Colony. ************************************************ Lynne - March 2006 Michael Flynn was my source as well. On any of the musters or anywhere else does it say that Mary Goulding was per the Lady Juliana ?......or does this come from Michael Flynn assuming that Mary Hubbard ( Goulding) was Mary Atkinson from those 1800-1802 'lists'.......and Mary Atkinson was per LJ. If this is so then she could have been per any of the second fleet or 1st Fleet boats as well as the Lady Juliana !!!???.....when did they marry ?.....19 December 1790......the second fleet arrived by end of June 1790. Looking at this site http://www.convictcentral.com/ there were no Mary Gouldings arrived to 1790. Michael Flynn says "At the time of the 1806 muster, she was still under sentence, described as "Mary Golderin, housekeeper to Hubbard".........if she had married William why would she be described as "Golderin" ....or did they do that ??? Glenyce wrote ; "but the 1818 (Nov 1818) has Mary A Goulding listed as "dead"; in the 1819 she is listed as "left the colony".......... I wonder who would have given the information she was "dead".....had they seperated and as far as William was concerned she ....."was dead" !!!! Had he taken up with Hannah Whitlock "wife of William Hubbard" in the 1828 census with her ( their ?????) 9 yr old son WILLIAM born c1819 ????? Could it be that the Mary Ann Hubbard who died in 1820 IS our "Mary"...... Incidently there was this death in 1818 ; V18183997 2B/1818 ATKINSON MARY AGE 56 V1818730 7/1818 ATKINSON MARY AGE 56 ******************************************************** Glenyce in W.A. - March 2006 The Mary Goulding who died in 1820 cannot be "our" Mary Goulding, as she was dead by the time of the 1818 Muster - see my previous posts. She may well have died in 1817, but this Muster for females is incomplete & she is not listed at all. There were other Gouldings in the Colony by that time.... e.g. Margaret Goulding alos died in 1820, aged 14 years. To further confuse matters, there is a Mary Atkinson that died in 1818, but unlike most Burials of Convicts that I have seen, no ship is noted. Many emancipated convicts returned to the UK at the end of there sentences, although the Govt. offered no assistance to do this, but it was allowed & various proclamations from the Govenor ratified the ex-prisoners rights to do this, if they wished & had the means to do so. *********************************************** Lynne - March 2006 Sorry Glenyce ....you had made your posts whilst I was still thinking & typing my post !!!...... doh.....I'll sleep on it So she was per LJ !!!!....that's good ......makes your Mary Simpson look good !!!! ************************************************ Lynne - March 2006 Glenyce has sent me.... HUBBARD and Connected Families in Early NSW Musters Author - Glenyce Voevodin-Keough - 15.3.2006 which I have added into William HUBBARD's ( ID# I11212) notes, but have also posted here for easier reference. Muster of 1800 – 1802: Editor: Carol Baxter; published by: ABGR in association with the Society of Australian Genealogists; transcripts with editorial comment. List 3: “Persons off Stores” c. 1801 Mary Atkinson, ex Lady Juliana, Ticket # 586 Resident in Parramatta with W. Hubbard List 6: “list of Persons” c. 1801 #872 William Hubbard; Rented Land on Northern Boundary #873 William Boggis List 7: Land & Stock held by Free Settlers, Officers or Expired or Emancipated Convicts in 1802 William Hubbard, ex Scarborough: Rented Land, settled on Northern Boundary; Condition: Free 1 woman, 3 children, 1 female servant, all off-stores. 40 ac. Cleared, 6 ac. in wheat, 18 ac. to be in maize. 100 ac. total held. 15 bushels of maize in hand, 6 bushels of wheat in hand. 2 female hogs. Muster of 1805 – 1806: Editor: Carol Baxter; published by: ABGR in association with the Society of Australian Genealogists; transcripts with editorial comment. William Hubbard. FBS. (Scarborough). Settler, 70 acs. Hawkesbury Mary Goulderin, “P”. (Lady Juliana). Housekeeper William Hubbard. William Hubbard: 13 ac. wheat, 2 ac. barley, ¼ ac. orchard & garden, 49 ¾ ac. pasture, 5 ac. fallow. Total: 70 acs. 1 male hog, 2 female hogs. 1 Proprietor, 1 wife, 4 children: not victualled by Government. Per grant Hawkesbury. John Sullivan (“Sugar Cane”). FBS. Rents 4 acs. Hubbert Hawkesbury.. 4 acs. & 8 hogs. 1 male not victualled by Government. General Muster of 1811: Editor: Carol Baxter; published by: ABGR in association with the Society of Australian Genealogists; transcripts with editorial comment. #2933 NSW Convict M Hubbard, William Scarborough, Feb 1783, Surrey, 7 years #2288 NSW Convict F Golding, Mary Atkinson Lady Juliana, Jan 1788, Old Bailey, 7 years (notes say “PRO” version is Golding, Mary Atkinson, but AONSW is Mary Ann Golding) Muster of 1814: Editor: Carol Baxter; published by: ABGR in association with the Society of Australian Genealogists; transcripts with editorial comment. #0370: William Hubbard (Scarborough), at “W”. “F”. Off stores. Landholder. #1604: Mary Ann Goulding (Lady Juliana) at “W” (Windsor, Richmond & Castlereagh). Status “F”. 3 children. Off-stores. Wife to W. Hubbard #1605: Ann Nash. Born here. “F”. Off stores. 2 children. Wife to W. Nash. Muster of 1816: AJCP reel 60: HO 10/4 Female convicts 31st December 1816 – Mary Golding, from the Lady Juliana, tried Old Bailey January 1788 – 7 years emancipated January 1795; Wife to W. Hubbard; in the Colony AJCP reel 60: HO 10/3: NSW Male Convicts 1816 - William Hubbard, from the Scarborough Jan 1788, tried at Surrey Feb 1783 – 7 years; emancipated Feb 1790; Baker at Windsor; In the Colony Muster of 1817: AJCP reel 62: HO 10/9 Female convicts in NSW 1817 – no Mary Goulding, although it appears very incomplete AJCP reel 61: HO 10/8: NSW Male Convicts 1817- William Hubbard, from the Scarborough Jan 1788, tried at Surrey Feb 1783 – 7 years; emancipated Feb 1790; Baker; In the Colony Muster of 1818: AJCP reel 63: HO 10/11 Female convicts in NSW 1818 – Mary Goulding from the Lady Juliana, tried Old Bailey January 1788 – 7 years – Dead Hannah Whitlock, from “Friends” Oct 1811, tried Old Bailey Dec 1810 – 7 years; Housekeeper; In the Colony AJCP reel 63: HO 10/10: NSW Male Convicts 1818; William Hubbard, from the Scarborough Jan 1788, tried at Surrey Feb 1783 – 7 years; emancipated Feb 1790; Baker; In the Colony Muster of 1819 : AJCP Reel 60: HO10/2 List of Female Convicts 1788-1819 - Mary Goulding from the Lady Juliana, tried Old Bailey January 1788 – 7 years – Left the Colony Hannah Whitlock, arrived on “Friends” Oct 1811, tried Old Bailey Dec 1810 – 7 years; Married; In the Colony AJCP Reel 60: HO10/1 List of Male Convicts 1788-1819 - William Hubbard, from the Scarborough Jan 1788, tried at Surrey Feb 1783 – 7 years; emancipated Feb 1790; Baker; In the Colony Muster of 1820 AJCP reel 63: HO 10/20: NSW Male Convicts 1820; William Hubbard, from the Scarborough Jan 1788, tried at Surrey Feb 1783 – 7 years; emancipated Feb 1790; Baker; In the Colony Muster of 1822Editor: Carol Baxter; published by: ABGR in association with the Society of Australian Genealogists; transcripts with editorial comment. #A22513: Hannah Whitlock (Friends). FBS. Wife of William Hubbard in Sydney. #A04549 – 4558: Hubbard, William FBS Scarborough Constable, Sydney Hubbard, Mary 7 yrs BC Child to W. Hubbard, Sydney Hubbard, John 5 yrs “ “ “ Hubbard, James 3 yrs “ “ “ Hubbard, William 2 yrs “ “ Muster of 1823, 1824, 1825 Editor: Carol Baxter; published by: ABGR in association with the Society of Australian Genealogists; transcripts with editorial comment. # 25948 – 25950: John Hubbard 7yrs BC Son of William Hubbard, Sydney William Hubbard - FS Scarborough, Constable, Sydney William Hubbard 5 yrs BC Son of William Hubbard, Sydney #45278: Hannah Whitelock, FS, Wife of William Hubbard in Sydney Muster of 1837 Editor: Carol Baxter; published by: ABGR in association with the Society of Australian Genealogists; transcripts with editorial comment. #2343: Douglas Brand, 27 (ex Portland, 1832 – Freed). Master: William Hubbard of Sydney #12557: John Hiscock, 30, (ex Lord Eldon). Master: William Hubbard of Sydney #16147: William Lipscombe, 48 (ex Capt. Cook). Master: : William Hubbard of Sydney ***************************************************** Artlyn - March 2006 Do we know who the Mother is of the three children? Mary age 7 John age 5 James 3 Has their birth or baptism been recorded in the Early Church Records? ************************************************************* |
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